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                                     Things Learned in Romans  part 5 

 

 

I will be using some of the translated work of Jonathan Mitchell.                             

 

I want to start this part of this sharing with Rom.1:20

 

"20. For from [the] creation (framing; founding) of [the] ordered system (world) His invisible things (qualities; attributes) which - both His imperceptible (or: perpetual) power (ability; capacity) and divinity (divine nature; godship) - are habitually seen clearly (held within view by looking down; perceived), being continually comprehended (understood; grasped by the mind) in (by) the things which are made or done, in order for them to be continuously defenseless (without a defense),"

 

Let's look at a couple different translations of this verse.

 

Phillips Modern English: Rom.1:18-20, "Now the holy anger of God is disclosed from heaven against the godlessness and evil of those men who render truth dumb and impotent by their wickedness. It is not that they do not know the truth about God; indeed he has made it quite plain to them. For since the beginning of the world the invisible attributes of God, e.g. his eternal power and deity, have been plainly discernible through things which he has made and which are commonly seen and known,  thus leaving these men without a rag of excuse."

 

Jerusalem Bible: "The anger of God is being revealed from heaven against all the impiety and depravity of men who keep truth imprisoned in their wickedness. For what can be known about God is perfectly plain to them since God himself has made it plain. Ever since God created the world his everlasting power and deity--however invisible--have been there for the mind to see in the things he has made. That is why such people are without excuse."

 

Now, let's not start gathering all of our thoughts on "all the wicked, evil things that we've done". This is not what this is all about. If you notice, this  is about  "keeping TRUTH IMPRISONED".  And where does it tell us that God's anger is disclosed?  "FROM HEAVEN".

 

 Now, I think that everyone who is reading this, is well aware that OUR MIND is HEAVEN or it is hell.  His anger comes from or is revealed from within our mind. Our thoughts. And we can look at either HIS view of this OR Eve's (our soul's) view.

 

We've been looking at Eve's or our soul's influence on all things. She has been influencing our thoughts, our health, our prosperity, our family, our UNDERSTANDING and even the written Word. BUT, folks, we are at the place in Father's plan, where WE DO NOT HAVE ONE EXCUSE for going along with Eve's way of thinking. We NO LONGER can say, "I didn't know", because it's (the Truth) has been here all along. It's WITHIN US! We have to go, not to man and not to some church, to get the Truth. WE HAVE TO GO WITHIN!  If we don't, we won't see the Truth in action, within us. We won't know who we are. We will do nothing except what we've been doing for 2000 yrs; dying. This is the plain and simple truth.

 

This may be hard to take, but, the Truth is, if we are sick, we caused it. If we are broke, we caused it. If our family is a mess, we caused it. How?  By living on excuses, such as:  "Only God can heal me; only God can give me money; only God can change my family."  Well, Let me ask you, WHERE IS GOD?  He's within you and me!  Where is His Power?  It's within you and me. Where is HIS IDENTITY?  It's within us!  Plain and simple. We MAKE IT HARD to understand. But, HE has made it plain, clear, right there ready to come forth through us. What's stopping it's appearing?  OUR MIND! Our dependence on MAN, instead of Him. And this is because we've been listening to Eve's thoughts about who and what we are; and what we can or cannot do.

 

Look at the Jerusalem translation: "the depravity of men who KEEP TRUTH IMPRISONED.."  To keep imprisoned means it's in us, but, not being allowed to come forth! And look at where it has been; "have been there for THE MIND TO SEE.." I don't care what anyone teaches us, it's in our mind! They can argue it all they want, but HE has/is making it clear to us. And why are we WITHOUT EXCUSE today?  Because Father also told us, "YOU HAVE the mind of Christ"  He did not say "you WILL HAVE". But, we've let MAN, who is under the influence of Eve, tell us that we can do NOTHING!  Wait, wait, wait,God has to do it. Well, where is God? It IS His Life that is being lived, not ours. He's waiting for US to do what WE'VE HEARD HIM TELL US, just as the Pattern Jesus did!!  We have no more excuse, folks!!

 

 In the last part, I left you with the question: "Which LORD created evil?" (IS.45:7) Also, WHO is called "the Lord righteousness"? (Jer. 33:15-16) This is speaking OF US!!!  We were not just made to BE righteous, we ARE HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS!  I don't care what man says, you cannot get around this! HIS POWER IS IN US, HAS BEEN IN US AND WILL ALWAYS  BE IN US!  The anger ( and this is not anger, as we know anger) of God is brought down upon us BY OUR THOUGHTS!  We bring it on ourselves! God's not doing anything to us, WE ARE! And WE ARE WITHOUT EXCUSE!! We've lived under EVE'S thoughts! LONG ENOUGH!!

 

I like what a brother wrote: (Jacob Boehme)

"You were designed so that you cannot speak while breathing in, but only when exhaling.   Moving air or wind is a type of the Spirit. Voice is vibration. To speak a “living Word,” is to speak the Word of Faith by the Holy Spirit. This “vibration of life” will not return void. This vibration or frequency moves into whichever realm God sends it, spiritual or physical, and moves upon it, shaping and forming it, to fulfill the purpose of His holy will. This is how our Father brought all creation into being. We are designed to operate the same, but only in union with Him, and fully empowered by Him. Ultimately, every word we speak will be His word or “out-breathing.” He “breathed” life into us that His life may flow out of us."

 

He DOES NOT take back anything that He gave us, of HIMSELF!!  That power of His, IS STILL WITH US, no matter how WE use it. Some don't believe this, but it's true. There is ONLY ONE POWER and that is HIS.

 

Now,  the Good News is:  Eve's husband is now awake! He is in the Garden. He never left the Garden. He's been asleep. He has not been contaminated by Eve's thoughts. And he is calling out to her to come home! Hallelujah!! And the rest of the Good News is that, Eve IS HEARING HER LORD'S VOICE calling to her. She is re-turning to her home. Eve is our emotions; our dependence on "seeing to believe". Her mind is doing flip flops. It's turning BACK to what it once was; the mind of Christ. She's BEEN HEARING her Lord's voice; she just couldn't find Him because she was LOOKING for the physical !! She now REMEMBERS that Him AND her are Spirit!! And she's returning to who she really is. ONE WITH HER HUSBAND. You know what she is hearing?

 

IS 34:17, "No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. THIS IS THE HERITAGE OF THE SERVANTS OF THE LORD AND THEIR RIGHTEOUSNESS IS OF ME, SAITH THE LORD!"

 

The weapon that was formed against us WAS EVE! The weapon formed against us was MAN telling us that we are mere mortal men. The weapon formed against us was Eve's translation of even God's written Word. The weapon formed against us was the KEEPING OF HIS TRUTH IMPRISONED WITHIN US!!  But, IT'S OVER FOLKS, IT"S OVER!!  His Truth is coming forth and it's coming forth THROUGH US!  HE IS BEING SEEN....by those who want to see Him. There are those who have grown so accustom to the physical, earthly things that they CHOOSE not to see it as Father, not only made it, but, as it STILL IS. And the "how it is seen" depends on where our focus is.

 

 BUT,There are those who are taking the "enemies" by force. The enemy of THINKING that the illnesses has the rule. The enemy of THINKING that they are downtrodden. The enemy of THINKING that they have to WAIT for that healing. These people KNOW God and they know WHERE and WHO HE IS, and they are honoring Him, by allowing Him to come forth. By ALLOWING, I mean that they are turning loose of the nonsense of logic and they are allowing Him to manifest once again in the flesh!!  They are allowing that overriding power to come forth and rid the illnesses, the sicknesses from the Body that He dwells in!!  How?  By BELIEF. BELIEF in everything that He has told them, regardless of what Eve has had them looking at; the symptoms, the aches, the pain, the deformity of thoughts. They are seeing HIM AS HE IS!! US!  We are the Body that HIS THOUGHTS come forth through. We are the Body of God's HEAD! We CANNOT BE SEPARATED from Him. WE ARE HIS LIFE!!  When you see US, you SEE THE FATHER!! They BELIEVE THIS, HIS TRUTH!! And they KNOW that there is not disease in Him or in His house.

 

Also, I want to think about "being created"

 

Gen. 1:27, "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them."

 

As I was sitting and meditating on this and so many other things that Father is drawing my attention to, it came to me.  Created. When we think of "created", we think, well Father thought of what man should look like; how many arms, legs, eyes, ears etc. We think "creating" is sort of like, putting something together, what will be needed, and the shape and form and appearance of the thing, that we want created. But, Father spoke something different to me, regarding US being created.

 

One meaning for the word "created" is "to bring forth, to beget". Now, this is another distorted picture that Eve has had us looking at.

 

John 3:16, "For God so loved the world, that He gave His ONLY BEGOTTEN SON...."

 

I think we have had the incorrect thinking when we read this scripture. We have THOUGHT that ONLY Jesus was a "begotten" Son, not created, but "begotten". We've sort of, because of incorrect teaching, separated ourselves from Jesus, because He was "begotten" and we were created. But, this isn't true.

 

When my son's dad and I decided that we wanted a baby, we came together, becoming ONE and we "brought forth" a son. We did not create our son, we begot him. He came forth, from what my husband and I were. Flesh, blood, five fingers, five toes, 4 ears (LOL just checking to see if you're paying attention!!) 2 ears, and traits of us and our lineage. We did not take dirt and say, "you know, I think we need a son, so here, lets "Create" one. To create is to make something from nothing. We did not do that, we begot our son, from being UNITED and bringing something forth from a substance which was a part of us.

 

When we were "brought forth" or "begotten", we did NOT come from NOTHING. We came from the very substance of our Father. We came OUT OF HIM. He didn't take, as some think, a mass of clay and create us. Look at what the scripture says;

 

Rom.12:4-5, "For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office; So we being many, are  one body in Christ and every one members of one another."

You are not separate from me; I am not separate from you; and we are not separate from God our Father, and HAVE NEVER BEEN. Our thinking, as Eve has taught us, changed but it DID NOT change who and what we are.

 

Eph3:14-19, "For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, (and if He is Jesus' Father, then He is our Father too) in whom the whole FAMILY in heaven and EARTH is named, that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; (who is our real and true identity, not this flesh body)  that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye being ROOTED AND GROUNDED  IN LOVE (what is our Father?  LOVE) , may be able to COMPREHEND (or understand) with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height; and to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God." (how do you become the fulness of God?  BY KNOWING, SPIRITUAL KNOWING, THAT YOU ARE HIS FULNESS!!)

 

So, what Paul is saying here, is that WE ARE TO BE FILLED WITH WHAT WE ARE!!  What are we? We are God's substance, His LIFE.   So, what does Father tell us about this?

 

John 1:12-16, "But as many as received him, to them he gave (past tense) power (that overriding power of HIS) to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name; which were born (notice the word "were", not only is it past tense, it is also PLURAL) which were born NOT of blood, nor of the will of flesh, nor of the will of man, BUT OF GOD! (notice His sons were not "created" but "BORN or BEGOTTEN" where from?  OF or OUT FROM WITHIN GOD).) VS 14  And the Word  was made flesh, and dwelt among us (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father)("as of" =remember, the word "of " means "out from within" and "as" is "like")

We beheld the glory, out from within Him, like the glory of the Father. The "begotten's" glory was the same glory as the Father's glory. full of grace and truth. John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spoke, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me. And OF HIS FULNESS HAVE ALL WE RECEIVED, and grace for grace." 

 

Who does Paul say received?  ALL, WE.  And WHAT did we all receive? HIS FULNESS

 

OK, let's go back to Rom.1.

 

16. For I am not in the habit of being ashamed of the Good News, for it continues being (is) God’s power (ability; capacity) into deliverance (being rescued; salvation; health and wholeness) -- in everyone (for everyone; to everyone) continuously believing: for (to; in) Jew first, also for (to; in) Greek (Hellenist).

 

This is what has to change. Our habits. Our habit of thinking as Eve has taught. We CANNOT think as Eve and as God, it won't work. All it will bring forth is confusion with that great power that Father placed in us, when He brought us forth, going behind our thinking. He does not take back what He has given, so, we STILL have that great power working behind our thoughts. Think about that for a while. Think how many times a day, we say, "I AM......", well, that great power goes behind those words, whether they benefit us, or condemn us.!!  That's powerful.

 

 

17. For in It God’s justice (righteousness; qualities and characteristics of the Way pointed out; victory of the righteous cause; way of righting wrong; righteous act) is continuously (progressively) being unveiled (revealed), from out of faith, into faith, according as it has been written, “But the one righteous (just)-out-of-faith will himself live.”

 

Now, this verse, I cannot agree with it's given interpretation. Because where it says, "Gods' way of righting wrong..."  does not come into agreement with how God sees. In Genesis, we are told "God looked at all He created and saw it was VERY GOOD"..  God does not see as we see or have been seeing. God does not see right and wrong; good and bad; evil and good. PS 139:12 , Mt 5:45 tell us, " light and darkness are the same to God". ALL THINGS  have a purpose, and most of US is what brings things on ourself. 

 

"the just shall live by faith". What Father is showing me, here, is: "shall live". Now, He doesn't say, "just the Spirit shall live" or  "just the physical shall live" or "just the soul shall live", it say's "SHALL LIVE".  To me this is Father saying, "you shall WHOLLY LIVE, SPIRIT, SOUL, and BODY"!   By faith.  Faith in what?  In FATHER AND ALL THAT HE SAYS ABOUT ALL THINGS.  IF we have faith in HIM and in what HE says about ALL things, then the faith that WE ARE USING, IS HIS FAITH!!   HIS faith cannot bring forth emptiness!!  It brings forth the fruit of what He speaks!!  So, our mind and speech MUST CHANGE TO HIS!!

 

And you know, I want to say something here.  It DOES NOT matter if we don't understand all that He says, I repeat, it does not matter. Because whether we understand or not, HIS word is still true. And as we place HIS faith in His words, HE will bring forth the understanding.  The important thing is to keep putting His Truths in yourself. It will take hold. You will come to understand it as it manifests through you. You may not even know that it has taken hold, until something happens and it just seems to surface!  It's that overriding power rising within and bouncing the things of the natural off.

 

 

18. For God’s personal emotion (inherent fervor; mental bent; natural impulse; anger; passion; temperament; wrath; disposition) is continuously being unveiled (revealed) from heaven upon every irreverence (lack of awe or absence of pious fear; disrespect) and injustice (wrong; unrighteousness; situation or act contrary to the Way pointed out) of mankind (of men) — the ones continuously holding down (restraining; stopping while possessing) the Truth in the sphere of (within) injustice (unrighteousness),

 

19. because the thing experientially known (or, knowable) pertaining to God is continuously made visible (made apparent; manifested by light) within (or: among) them, for God made (makes) it visible (manifests it) to them (for them; in them; by them).

 

20. For from [the] creation (framing; founding) of [the] ordered system (world) His invisible things (qualities; attributes) which - both His imperceptible (or: perpetual) power (ability; capacity) and divinity (divine nature; godship) - are habitually seen clearly (held within view by looking down; perceived), being continually comprehended (understood; grasped by the mind) in (by) the things which are made or done, in order for them to be continuously defenseless (without a defense),

 

 

21. because experientially knowing God, they did (do) not glorify (imagine; esteem; suppose; fancy; conjecture about; hold an opinion of) [Him] as God, or thank [Him] (or: give thanks). But [as a result] they were made futile (vain; fruitless; without profit; empty; useless; worthless; subject to a process of meaningless frustration; subject to exercises in futility) in their reasonings (thought processes), and their [collective] unintelligent (stupid; unable-to-put-things-together) heart was darkened.

 

Now, in the King James, the words "him" is not in the original writing. It should read as, : "they did not glorify as God".  Did you catch that? "They did not glorify AS GOD". Notice, THEY KNEW GOD. We experientially knew God. We EXPERIENCED GOD when He begot us and when we came forth just like Him, Eve didn't realize she was what God was, let her imagination take over. She did not GLORIFY as GOD. In other words, she did not bring forth the Truth of who she was, she took her eyes off of Him, for a second, and everything changed. (in HER way of seeing things). She was God, but when she took her focus off of Him, her imagination became vain. And she saw herself as LESS THAN GOD. And she's been seeing that way ever since. She expects "bad" to come upon her when she is "wrong" and that's exactly what's been happening. She has been thinking with MORALITY, instead, as God thinks and sees things. We must keep in mind, that she is still a creator, with HIS power!!  Folks, this has been describing us and our carnal thinking. We must GLORIFY AS GOD!  That means believing into the manifestation of all that He tells us about ourselves, because He is telling about HIMSELF!!  Otherwise, the foolish heart (mind) of man stays darkened.

 

22. Continuously claiming (asserting; alleging with pretense) to be wise ones, they were made to be dull (sluggish; moronic; stupid; foolish)

 

 

23. and they changed (change; exchange in barter; make other than it is) the glory (esteem; opinion; imagination; supposition; conjecture about; thoughts of; appearance; honorable consideration) of the imperishable (unruinable; incorruptible; unspoilable; undestroyable) God within a likeness (resemblance; similarity; copy) of an image (form; appearance) of a perishable (corruptible; spoilable) human, and of flying things and of four-footed things and of creeping things.

 

Now, WHO changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corrupible man;;;;,,? THEY, those who had known God experientially!!  Not God. God did not change them "so they could learn" as we've been taught. WE changed because of our believing of Eve and disbelieving of HIM.  Now, remember, that power is still in us, so that power went right along behind our beliefs and brought us into being, physically, what we believed, as Eve has taught us. 

 

PROV 23:7, "as a man believeth in his heart (mind), so is he..."  So, we believed ourselves right into corruptibility!! BUT, we're awake now!!  Hallelujah!!! And our soul, is heading home to our husband, the one we are ONE with.  Some believe we are getting a NEW soul. We're not. We're reeducating the one we have had and we're changing her way of thinking.

 

24. Wherefore (on which account) God gave (gives) them over (delivered/delivers them), within the full passions (passionate cravings; complete wrath; earnest desires; compiled angers) of their hearts, into uncleanness (impurity), to be continuously dishonored (shamed) — with respect to (pertaining to) their bodies -- among (within) themselves,

 

God is just giving them what they believe. He isn't punishing them, He isn't putting awful things on them, He is giving them what they think!  He is a God of Love, and when their thinking changes back to His way of thinking, THEN they will be given what they've had all along.  Praise our merciful Father.

 

 

25. which very ones altered (alter; change; exchange after) God’s truth (or: the truth of {or, pertaining to} God) within The Lie, and showed reverence to (venerated; felt dread of; worship and show adoration to) and rendered service (poss.: religious service) to (for) the creation (the creature; the framing; the foundation) alongside of (to the side of) the Creator (The One framing or founding) Who is (exists being) well spoken of (praised; blessed; eulogized) into the ages. Amen!

 

26. Because of this (Therefore) God gave (gives) them over (delivered/delivers them) into experiences of dishonor (ignoble sufferings; situations of being unvalued; unworthy passions), for even their females altered (alter; change or exchange after) the natural use into the [use which is] to the side of (beside) nature (natural condition; natural production; generated situation).

 

Now, from this verse on, is what the church uses to preach against homosexuality. But, as we've seen, this is all about, KEEPING THE TRUTH IMPRISONED.  When we believe ANYTHING, no matter how well preached, translated or taught, that does not say what Father says, we are keeping His Truths imprisoned. And besides that, by believing anything that man teaches in the natural, instead of from the Spirit, we are whoring with an adulterous affair; and according to Eve, we will be "punished", probably by some sexual disease. (please hear this in the Spirit).

 

So, I hope you can see what I've been talking about, when I say that Eve has even effected the written Word. Our only hope is to let the Spirit teach us all things.

 

Remember, we ARE Lord of righteousness; we HAVE that overriding power of Father: we are creators; and that power goes behind our beliefs and bring them into being.  And so it is, the world or war etc, is Eve's beliefs;  whole, pure, holy, perfected, HIS LIFE, also brings forth all this when we believe HIS word. We must meditate DAY AND NIGHT on what He tells us IF we hope to manifest and be seen when folks look at us.  It's all about HIM!!

 

And when you hear someone say, "yes, I agree that we ARE Him, BUT..." shut it down right then. There are no buts. People STILL see us as HUMANS. We're not. We are Spirit just as He is. This flesh body is just away of being seen. WHEN this body is changed THEN it will be us as much as the perfect Spirit, and the perfected soul. Then and ONLY then will the body be us. So, we must keep our focus on Him and what He tells us we are, and they WILL/ARE manifesting.  Believe it, or believe Eve.  We cannot be both Him and mortal flesh. Flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom. ONLY Spirit and immortal bodies will show forth Him and His Kingdom.  Immortal bodies can only come forth through HIS TRUTH.  Don't imprison His Truth, allow it to come forth and be seen.

 

So, now, do you see why I say that Eve has even influenced the written Word, or at least the understanding of it?

 

Rom 8: 20, " For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected in hope".

 

We've been taught that God placed us in this emptiness, this futility, this vanity.  We are/were in this vainity because we thought and desired it because we allowed Eve's thinking to lead us. And Father's power that He gave us, in the beginning, went behind our thinking. He is NO RESPECTOR OF PERSONS. In other words, when He gave His power to be a creating force behind our thoughts, He WILL NOT change His mind because of any particular person. What He gave for creating, goes behind creating, whether it is being used for creating what glorifies Him, or glorifies somethng or someone else. He has HOPE of our waking up!! Because it is HIS PLAN for ALL to come into what they aready are----HIM!!

 

Unlike Eve, who put the blame on the serpent. We can only put the truth about why we are in the condition we are in, on our own thinking!!  God didn't just say, "Well I think I'll place my sons into a place of emptiness so they can learn".  We ALREADY HAD HIS FULLNESS!!  AND STILL DO.  But, what we do with it and how we use it, is up to us. But, we will come to manifest Him, ALL OF US.  Each man in his own order.

 

As I said, this is not a teaching. It is what Father is showing me and you can do with it as you will.

 

I'm not sure if this will be the last part of this sharing or not. If not, you'll receive more; if it is, then Father will add to you, His Truth and His Understanding.

 

Blessings