OUR JOURNEY
                                                 Part  5

                                        Separation of Thinking

I made a mistake in part 4, that I would like to correct.  I wrote the word "man" when I meant to use the word "woman".  The paragraph below, is where the mistake was"

"In Gen 2 6-7, we see that the Lord God brought the man (the Plural God) to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. IT WAS NOT GOD WHO TEMPTED MAN, remember, God had rested from the work. But, before God rested, He made a Plan. A plan that would include HE , HIMSELF experiencing ALL that the man was to experience. As time passed, it was that part of the man that was tempted, his soul. The WOMAN, when She ate of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD AND EVIL, has been creating ever since. That power of God was and IS still within her,( US). From here on out, it was theWOMAN (The Plural God) who created all that was to be created. (evil, darkness, good and bad, right and wrong, the dual thinking). When the WOMAN ate of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, the WOMAN'S mind fell into carnality. BUT, remember, THE MAN WAS NOT CHANGED, just THE WOMAN'S THINKING WAS CHANGED. There is much more that could be said about all this, but you have the general idea, and can study it out more thoroughly." I do want to say here, we must remember that at one time the woman was also in the image of God. It was HER THINKING that changed, NOT THE MAN (SPIRIT). He was asleep. All through the OT we see where Father was telling the man, "AWAKE, AWAKE". The man IS AWAKE and has drawn the woman BACK to him."

We must remember that when Father brought forth the man, the man was both male (Spirit) and female (soul). And BOTH had the same power that Father shared with them. The life that has been ILLUSIONALLY lived, was the soul life; while the man slept. But, all that is changed NOW.

OK, let's go on with part 5.


                            What Was the Purpose of Sin?

The purpose of sin or separation of God thinking and soul thinking, can be seen that it was a part of the plan. You see, Father knew what to take place before it ever took place. He knew that the leading of the lowered thinking would cause mankind to take on a mistaken identity. And knowing this, FATHER PROVIDED FOR IT BEFORE IT EVEN HAPPENED.

Rev. 13:8-9, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world. If any man have an ear, let him hear. He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity; he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."

The Lamb was slain BEFORE sin ever entered the world. No one knows a son, like a father. So, the Atonement was in place when the "fall" took place. So, what did man really fall into? THE ATONEMENT. But, carnal thinking religious folks told man differently. He told them, "you are a sinner." And when man believed this religious thinking, what happened? He became a sinner in his carnal mind. BUT, not in the Mind of Christ!!

Since the time that mankind manifested on the earth, it's been the same ole story. Religious people, who wants to control;  wants to make their own kind of world; who have raised up cults and cultish thinking; have always led man into their traps. But, one thing is this; we cannot judge these people, they are too, sons of Father, misguided by lust, money, power or whatever their reason, but still sons of Father. And Father even had this taken care of before it ever happened.

His Words ring out loud and clear. "man reaps what he sows." So, we must leave that to the laws of God. We see that  "He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity;"  Many have been led into captivity, by reading the books of folks' lives,  who are supposedly more wise than these doing the following. And it's sad. These that do the leading, lived and live according to their own lusts; their wants; their desires and the younger (not in age, neccesarially), the unlearned, and the lazy, follow the leaders' "scripture covered" acts, right into the same beliefs and acts of living.

So many ask, "are we to love these men/women? are we to love evil?"  Of course not. We are to love the TRUE MAN within these folks. You see, they follow the thinking of the carnal mind; thinking that if they can twist a scripture into "deeper meaning", it will cover their actions, and still make them "appear" to be righteousness. But, we cannot go by appearances. The TRUE MAN within these flesh bodies ARE SONS and our brothers; but we are to walk as Christ walks. Christ does not lead anyone captive. And those doing the leading WILL come to repentance. This IS NOT SIN!! Because there is no sin. It is simply the following of the carnal mind.

In the discussion group, someone brought up the scripture:

Titus 1:15, "Unto the pure all things are pure; but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.:"

You know, looking at this scripture alone, this can make a person who is walking as Father, really look like they are being mean spirited, and judgmental. But, this is the way that people use the scriptures to cover their ungodly acts. Let's look at some more scriptures, dealing with this one.

Titus 1:1-3, "Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect,  and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness; In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie promised before the world began; But hath in due times manifested his word through preaching, which is committed unto me according to the commandment of God our Saviour:"

The first thing I saw here, is that there is to be an acknowledging of the truth WHICH IS AFTER GODLINESS.  Now, this tells me that if there is an acknowledging of the truth AFTER GODLINESS, there is also an acknowledging that IS NOT AFTER GODLINESS!!

Also, He has manifested His Word through preaching. In Paul's case, the preaching he was to do was ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD OUR SAVIOUR. Which also tells us that there is use of His Word that  IS NOT ACCORDING TO THE COMMANDMENT OF GOD OUR SAVIOUR.!

What is His commandment? SAY WHAT YOU HEAR YOUR FATHER SAY, any thing else, is man's thinking. Short and sweet.  Now, if Father tells us that we are to allow HIM (because this is HIS LIFE, NOT OURS) to live as Christ in the earth; and I decide that I have a lust, whether it be greed, sexual lust, pride or whatever it might be. And you judge (discern) that the life that I am living and teaching others to live, is anything but godly, and you come to me with judgment (that is, wanting to correct what is incorrect) and you tell me that what I am doing is ungodly. And it is obvious that it is. And you are telling me this out of the LOVE OF GOD, and I say to you, "you are not pure, because you are not seeing me as pure".

Yes, we are to see THE TRUE PERSON, THAT ANYONE IS, AS BEING PURE. But, not the acts. REMEMBER WHO WE ARE!  WE ARE GOD. We are NOT judging the person. What we are doing is trying to save them from the reaping that they will endure for their ungodly acts, and CALLING THEM GODLY, and all the while LEADING OTHERS INTO THE SAME UNGODLINESS. And using the Word of God to make unpure things seem pure. What were we told?

"He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity; he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword."

This is talking about the sword of the Word of God. IF they refuse to hear, then we are to leave them to the enduring of what they reap. Seeing pure things as pure is what we are to do. But, the unpure is not pure. The unpure WILL be used to bring that person into God's Will. The unpure is of the carnal mind and Father gave us discernment to know the difference. How can I say that I truly love someone and not try to help them from suffering that they will bring on themselves? Doesn't God even prick our Spirit when we tread on the wrong path? But, He allows us to make the decision of what we'll do.  It won't be punishment from God, it will the results of His law about sowing and reaping.

It's like, some say that they know that sin has been taken, and they are washed by the Blood; and like the reconciliation message; some say, well if we are all going to be saved in the end, I will live as I please. You see they take these truths of God and pollute them, not only in actions, but they actually use God's Word to validate those actions. And they do not show forth Godliness. Just religious acting.

Maybe those who see unpure things as being pure know a lot that I don't know. But, for right now this is not what Father is showing me. How can the mind be changed by looking at ungodliness, as Godliness? How are we to learn TRUTH if we cover our eyes (our spiritual eyes) and claim that ALL IS PURE? Nothing in the flesh is pure. The unpure is a tool that Father uses to show us clarity of Himself. This is just my opinion.   


                                    The Purpose of Separation


Our brother tells us:
Who can separate us from the love of God? If you make your bed in hell He said, "I’ll be there." I love Col. 1:20-21 for we were alienated only in our minds. We thought it to be so and religion kept telling us it was so. But we were never, never, never separated from our Father. We never left His hand. Webster defines "religion" as "systems of faith; practices of religious beliefs." Religion claims two existences, one for God---spiritual existence; and another for us--- a human existence. Then it identifies us with a past state of human birth, a present state of regeneration, and a future state of perfection, after we have earned, won or demonstrated it. But at last, without the religious belief in sin and separation, there would be no ground for this doctrine or creed. The Bible says that without the law there is no sin and the law was given to the Israelites not the gentiles so….YOU WERE NEVER A SINNER to start with. Jewedized Christianity told you…God never did.
There is no distance between God and man--- God
Is within us. There is no future or other place… for
God is timeless, spaceless, ever-present. God is in
The NOW!!!

I agree wholeheartedly with these words, and I believe that most of you do too.  The separation that I am talking about, is the separation of thinking.  Why the separation from the God thinking?

I think that we have been unconscious, that even though we teach, preach, and THINK ONENESS, we have been trying to tell ourselves, there IS a separation, and we MUST EMBRACE it, to understand it.

What I mean by "we must embrace it", is that we must come to the place where we stay in the Presence of Father until we know without a doubt that He and US are ONE and the Same. We can profess to be anything we want; but, as long as it is headknowledge and not Spiritual Truth to us, it is useless.

One brother says:
On this journey a question that has to be ask is: "Was there or was there not a separation of Spirit and the spiritual world called, by religion, the fall of man?" This question is a door into a much larger room----yes or no---- depends on one’s concept of God. We have all been taught "yes" but the truth is "NO" for we have never been separated from God and the Spiritual world. The coming end of the world just means the coming to an end of the diabolical belief that we are a human race. Every doctrine, belief, or teaching, identifying or classifying us as mortals is the imperfect. In fact, any voice that tells you this is the "tail of the serpent" that seeks to keep you earth bound. In an earth bound mentality you must pray, strive, and struggle continually to overcome imperfections, discords, sorrow and limitation—day after day, month after month—and never come to know the reality of your true identity. To see truth as it is, in simplicity, purity, and glory, we must be willing to look away from book, doctrine, and person,  to hear from God directly. To hear spiritually, we must be deaf to every one and every thing which treats another mind, another power, another existence beside the ONE GOD.

One sister said:
"perhaps separation is a tool for bringing realization of greater love and purpose so a deeper relationship can grow. There are many heavens or dwelling places in Him...right? I think the fear comes from thinking separation is complete abandonment, and this is a misconception. How can God abandon Himself?"

Another sister says"

Rokus~~~~As I have been thinking about what you heard in your spirit ---"healing comes when you realize you are not broken". And I have been thinking about the need to OVERCOME ("overcomes" in the book of Revelations) Maybe the need to overcome is the need to overcome our thinking of separation and then the living of separateness that results from that thinking. So, to know the center of our being is oneness, but only after we have experienced separateness is to truly OVERCOME this physical experience for the truth of what it really is~~a spiritual journey into the form of physicality. A chance to experience physicality when we are centered in spirit like Jesus who, as a first fruit and forerunner showed us the way to do it~~ knowing the truth of who he was would be like a compass through the maze of "other voices" who tried to identify him with their OLD CONCEPTS. We are the new mind, creating the new order and the ONE NEW MAN who results out of that mind. The fires are burning to consume the wood hay and stubble in our thinking that has resulted in wood hay and stubble living. Like has been said...the seed holds the life within it~~ the seed of thought is the life we enter into or miss out on! ~~ no wonder it's called OVERCOMING.

to be continued......